Marvel Universe To Be Completely Rebooted, DC Style? *RUMOUR*

[Tawmis]

I know the Robins' continuity was messed up: Tim Drake being referred to as a former Robin, yet he supposedly was always Red Robin and "never a Robin". The original Teen Titans were referred to in "Red Hood and The Outlaws", yet they supposedly never existed.

Dana

You are correct about the Tim Drake thing. I am pretty sure you're accurate there. I don't recall about the Teen Titans, however?

[Flightpath07]

I know the Robins' continuity was messed up: Tim Drake being referred to as a former Robin, yet he supposedly was always Red Robin and "never a Robin". The original Teen Titans were referred to in "Red Hood and The Outlaws", yet they supposedly never existed.

Dana

I have all the Red Hood books, and don't recall that. However, you could be right; i'm too lazy to pull out all my books and re-read them to check.

[Phil]

http://marvel.com/news/comics/2014/5...s_in_september

[Le Messor]

Maybe what we'll end up with will be more like Age of Apocalypse than Flashpoint? A huge, status-quo-shaking event that puts the entire motley crew in dire straits, but ends up being reset later?

[Flightpath07]

Still not buying any Marvel.

[Tawmis]

So I stand alone. I think the Marvel Universe is such a convoluted $*cking mess - that it SERIOUSLY needs a reset button. There's X-Men, then alternate versions of them from every time line hanging out in 616. There's time displaced characters, stuck everywhere. People have died, come back, died, come back - a nice clean, reboot, back to a more fundamental story telling and art (such as The New 52).

I was never, ever, ever a fan of DC. But when they did the New 52, I understood it was a reboot - so I picked up just about every title. And now my DC pull list isn't just MORE than my Marvel pull list - it dominates it. I continue to drop more Marvel titles, to pick up more DC titles.

[Flightpath07]

So I stand alone. I think the Marvel Universe is such a convoluted $*cking mess - that it SERIOUSLY needs a reset button. There's X-Men, then alternate versions of them from every time line hanging out in 616. There's time displaced characters, stuck everywhere. People have died, come back, died, come back - a nice clean, reboot, back to a more fundamental story telling and art (such as The New 52).

I was never, ever, ever a fan of DC. But when they did the New 52, I understood it was a reboot - so I picked up just about every title. And now my DC pull list isn't just MORE than my Marvel pull list - it dominates it. I continue to drop more Marvel titles, to pick up more DC titles.

No, you're not alone, not at all. I still have a few of DC's New 52 titles in my pull list, whereas i haven't had any from Marvel there in quite a while now.

It's not that I don't think Marvel NEEDS a reboot...I just don't BELIEVE Marvel, not ever. They've been (opinion: to me and my way of thinking) untrustworthy for far too long for me to believe anything they tell me, especially if making-a-buck is involved.

However, to be fair, i will mention this; DC's reboot was much needed, but it stifled a lot of artistic creativity by way of editors telling writers exactly what stories they could and could not write. The way i see it, Marvel doesn't need to do a reboot to achieve this, that is already the way they operate!

[Le Messor]

You're not alone in thinking it's too convoluted; but I just don't think a reboot is the answer.
And the Nu52 kept telling us 'it's a reboot, it's not a reboot, some of it is rebooted, some of it is unbooted, some of it is jack-booted'...

If Marvel does reset, I hope they're clearer than that.

~ Le Messor
"He has Van Gogh's ear for music."
~ Billy Wilder

[Tawmis]

You're not alone in thinking it's too convoluted; but I just don't think a reboot is the answer.
And the Nu52 kept telling us 'it's a reboot, it's not a reboot, some of it is rebooted, some of it is unbooted, some of it is jack-booted'...
If Marvel does reset, I hope they're clearer than that.

Perhaps, because I barely collected any DC before the reboot (the only ones I collected were Teen Titans/Titans/New Teen Titans, whatever name that team was going by - for like 5 years before the reboot), Aquaman and Hawkman (and Outsiders too).

But I thought the reboot was done nicely. They put great, talented writers on books (for the most part), who STAYED on the books for a pretty good long haul. So there seemed to be a solid story structure. Their artists were great.

I could almost see Marvel (or Disney) wanting to reboot Marvel to a more classic Superhero feel (which I think the New 52 has), so that Disney can market it more towards kids. Because right now, it's crap. Almost all of it. Pure. Crap.

However, to be fair, i will mention this; DC's reboot was much needed, but it stifled a lot of artistic creativity by way of editors telling writers exactly what stories they could and could not write. The way i see it, Marvel doesn't need to do a reboot to achieve this, that is already the way they operate!

You know, if it helps lock down the books, so they feel tighter, then so be it. I think that's part of the problem with Marvel. They don't seem to give a flying $^#@* about the books. Just let the writers write whatever the ##@(* they want to write. And give them "named artists" - who, I'm sorry - I can draw better than, I feel, using stick figures.

[Flightpath07]

I can draw better than, I feel, using stick figures.

I'm pretty sure I want to see examples of this!

[Tawmis]

I'm pretty sure I want to see examples of this!

When I get home, I will see if I can whip something up.

[mrdann1205]

i wouldn't be surprised if they do....

especially with what the Illuminati is currently doing....

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*rebuilding the infinity gauntlet**


so if they are doing that.... i have a feeling they are are going to at least attempt it.

and i sure as hell hope they don't merge the heroes reborn or ultimate with it, i hated BOTH of those so much

[Le Messor]

and i sure as hell hope they don't merge the heroes reborn or ultimate with it, i hated BOTH of those so much

Me too, Mr Dann. Me too.

[Phil]

A bit more possible info... or not

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=53324

[Le Messor]

While the 'two worlds collide' thang certainly lends itself to a reboot idea, nothing I read in that article screamed at me 'we're rebooting the universe!'. It all came across to me as a very clever marketing ploy. 'Here's a way to get a preview of a year and a half in advance; and if you read all our comics between then and now, you'll be caught up'.

Fiendishly cunning.

~ Le Messor
"Nothing puzzles me more than time and space; yet nothing troubles me less."
~ Charles Lamb