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    Any chance for superhero groups outside of the US to get more recognition? Alpha Flight is rad and I will always, always have a super soft spot for the Marvel UK heroes. Motormouth! Union Jack! Captain Britain! I would love to see a new ongoing Alpha Flight and Excalibur book, preferably ones that stick around for longer than a year. =P I think branching out beyond the US would be really cool and help paint a broader picture of the Marvel Universe, like what's being done with Guardians and Nova.


    The problem we’ve always had in doing this is the problem that you touch on when you say “ones that stick around for longer than a year”—and that is that there seems to be only limited interest in those characters and those books, not enough to make them successful longer term.
    And note; that's his personal blog rather than an official Marvel statement.

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    The original AF and Excalibur were around for a long time. I don't know what Brevoort is talking about.

    Maybe they should try, you know, giving the books a fair shot? Try letting them be their own thing instead of forcing the same formula that keeps failing? The last AF maxi had some good moments, but it sounded to me like editorial interfered more than helped. You want to suddenly give an old character a completely unrecognizable personality? Go for it! But first, conspiracy! Intrigue! Guns! Event tie in! No, you can not have Madison Jeffries so he can actually do awesome stuff again, he's more than busy talking to his coffee maker in the x-verse! Oh, and don't bother resolving the issue with Heather, that ongoing we announced is suddenly canceled. Hope you weren't expecting to deal with that later!

    I don't even really care if they bring back Excalibur. I never liked Captain Britain, I have no clue what has become of Meggan, and Nightcrawler is dead. Wolfsbain needs time to just raise her kid, and I doubt they'd write any happy stories about that in today's Marvel. Mora is also dead. Pete what was his name... Wisdom?... is alive last I heard, and is only enjoyable when playing off likable characters, otherwise he's insufferable. I don't know. If you build a cast of all new characters, though, may as well at least make it a spin off rather than an 'in name only' book. Those don't go over well with the fanbase.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EccentricSage View Post
    The original AF and Excalibur were around for a long time. I don't know what Brevoort is talking about.
    Recent years and reboots, of which both series' have had 3.

    Maybe they should try, you know, giving the books a fair shot?
    They have though, at least 3 times and each time sales get worse.

    Try letting them be their own thing instead of forcing the same formula that keeps failing?
    See, this is the issue; you're saying do something new and different (which each subsequent Vol of AF has been), yet other fans are saying go back to the old Byrne formula. How can Marvel win?

    but it sounded to me like editorial interfered more than helped. You want to suddenly give an old character a completely unrecognizable personality? Go for it!
    How so? Which character do you mean?

    Event tie in!
    FVL has gone on record saying that he & Greg chose to make it a tie-in.

    No, you can not have Madison Jeffries so he can actually do awesome stuff again, he's more than busy talking to his coffee maker in the x-verse!
    That's a fair point.

    Oh, and don't bother resolving the issue with Heather, that ongoing we announced is suddenly canceled. Hope you weren't expecting to deal with that later!
    Cancelled (or re-reduced) due to lack of sales due to fans lack of interest. And let's face it, the world hasn't really given a damn about Heather since.

    I don't even really care if they bring back Excalibur.
    As there are most likely Excalibur fans who don't care about AF or Madison Jeffries or Wildchild...

    Wolfsbain needs time to just raise her kid, and I doubt they'd write any happy stories about that in today's Marvel.
    You might want to avoid reading the latest X-Factor arc...

    If you build a cast of all new characters, though, may as well at least make it a spin off rather than an 'in name only' book. Those don't go over well with the fanbase.
    Which goes against your 'letting them be their own thing' comment, surely?

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    Well, to disagree: She-Hulk sold horribly and has had what, 4 reboots, 5? Spider-Girl got 3 reboots, 4 if you expand out of the original version, and a longer run on often very low sales, especially relative to the market. THey got chances because those in power with Marvel backed them up, and gave them a lot of time and chances to succeed even if fans, especially with She-Hulk, turned a blind eye. To whit: You can't even get She-Hulk graphic novels through the library system here (But AF and EXcalibur, sure).
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    Yet the She-Hulk reboots (as many as AF has had so there's no bias) still sold better than Vol's 3&4...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil View Post
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    And note; that's his personal blog rather than an official Marvel statement.
    Um?

    Phil, as a Marvel employee, he ALWAYS represents Marvel when he speaks.
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    I totally disagree on that.
    It may reflect on Marvel but it doesn't represent them.
    It's not an official press release or statement; his views are his own, done in his own un-paid time in an unofficial capacity.

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    In my job, you can be (and people have been) fired over comments made on your own private FaceBook accounts, as well as over things you do in your own home. Many companies now monitor employees FaceBook accounts. The reason? If you are known to be part of a company or business, what you do or say reflects on that company or business. Which is what you said. But I see little difference between "reflecting" and "representing". When you sign on with an employer, you become an Ambassador for them, and you become known as such to their patrons, so how patrons think of you can heavily affect how they think of the business you work for. Note that I never actually said that his views are anything but his own, only that they are SEEN as others that way; and should be (and, I am sure, are) seen that way, as well, by his employer.

    Think of it this way; what percentage of the people that visit his blog (or read it, or sign up and join it) are there because they know him from Marvel Comics? (If you're not guessing at least 95%, you're not doing it right)
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    Having worked in the media there is no doubt: what you say on your own time is always taken by the bosses as you speaking for the company, always. I know guys in publishing who've said things on social websites about the product that the bosses didn't like, and they got in trouble, one got fired. You work for them, so if Brevoort is talking about a Marvel property on his own time he darn well knows he's selling the product and pushing his bosses' line. If they disagree they'd let us know. I can even cite reporters in news media who got in trouble for saying things, on their own time, unpaid, that the bosses thought went against their personal wishes, one got fired (in Canada, no less).

    It's the main reason you only hear the truth after a guy quits or switches companies. Then they'll tell you how things REALLY happened and what the bosses really wanted. Think Kolins and Seagle, for two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    In my job, you can be (and people have been) fired over comments made on your own private FaceBook accounts, as well as over things you do in your own home.
    Exactly.

    He can't legally be fired for anything that represents Marvel because that means Marvel have instructed him to say it.

    When you sign on with an employer, you become an Ambassador for them, and you become known as such to their patrons, so how patrons think of you can heavily affect how they think of the business you work for.
    By that logic if your boss is a racist or a homophobe then you are too?

    By that logic every post you've ever made here represents your company and every political conversation you've ever had out of work does too.

    Note that I never actually said that his views are anything but his own, only that they are SEEN as others that way
    Then surely the blame lies with the people SEEing it that way?

    and should be (and, I am sure, are) seen that way, as well, by his employer.
    Only if it affects the business.

    Think of it this way; what percentage of the people that visit his blog (or read it, or sign up and join it) are there because they know him from Marvel Comics? (If you're not guessing at least 95%, you're not doing it right)
    But Marvel can turn round and say it was unsanctioned and,as you've pointed out, sack him for it implying that it has no relevance or legal baring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mokole View Post
    Having worked in the media there is no doubt
    Unless you're claiming to have worked for every single company ever founded there is always doubt.

    what you say on your own time is always taken by the bosses as you speaking for the company, always.
    There are court cases that say otherwise.

    I know guys in publishing who've said things on social websites about the product that the bosses didn't like, and they got in trouble, one got fired.
    Because the views were reflecting on them rather than representing them; if it were the latter they'd have no grounds for dismissal.

    I can even cite reporters in news media who got in trouble for saying things, on their own time, unpaid, that the bosses thought went against their personal wishes, one got fired (in Canada, no less).
    Exactly; see previous.
    If anything Brevoort said here brought Marvel into disrepute he'd be sacked. Ergo; reflection not representation.

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    Just let me point this out:

    The problem we’ve always had in doing this
    It may be his own personal opinion, BUT by saying "We've" he is now saying that he is speaking for everybody at his workplace.
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    Everybody, yes.
    The company, no.

    That just means he's being arrogant and presumptuous in speaking on people's behalf when he has no right to.
    Still his opinion. Not fact, not canon.

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    Phil, we'll agree to disagree on this point, and leave it at that.

    I don't know if you are a scholar, but you argue like a gentleman!
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