Marvel Cancellations?

[Le Messor]

But out of those titles ... Uncanny X-Men

Wait...
So Uncanny went for nearly 600 issues, being one of the longest-lasting series ever, then was reset for no good reason to the protests of some fans...
Only to be cancelled and restarted again a few months later?
How many issues did / will it make it to this time?

- Le Messor
"I'm defending her honor, which is more than she ever did."
~ Groucho

[Flightpath07]

Wait...
So Uncanny went for nearly 600 issues, being one of the longest-lasting series ever, then was reset for no good reason to the protests of some fans...
Only to be cancelled and restarted again a few months later?
How many issues did / will it make it to this time?

- Le Messor
"I'm defending her honor, which is more than she ever did."
~ Groucho

The "House of Ideas" it may be, but they never said GOOD ideas...

[Chris]

Hickman's Avengers book that's debuting in December is supposed to have 18 members. It would be nice if Marrina rejoined the Avengers. Or have an Alphan who hasn't been a member join the team like Puck or Sasquatch. I still remember Puck's face teased on the cover of West Coast Avengers #1 as a possible member.

[rplass]

We also saw Sasquatch and Northstar as time-displaced members of the Avengers in Avengers Forever #12!

Captain America also flat out said in Heroic Age: Heroes #1 that Northstar could make a “very talented Avenger”

[Chris]

Yup we did talk about "time-displaced" Sasquatch and Northstar with Kurt Busiek on your review of Defenders: From the Marvel Vault #1

Would love to see Sasquatch helping out 17 other Avengers.

[Flightpath07]

Hickman's Avengers book that's debuting in December is supposed to have 18 members. It would be nice if Marrina rejoined the Avengers. Or have an Alphan who hasn't been a member join the team like Puck or Sasquatch. I still remember Puck's face teased on the cover of West Coast Avengers #1 as a possible member.

My biggest problem with that, it would mean that he/she/they had all but given up on protecting their home country of Canada and moved to the USA. As a proud Canadian, I don't like that idea one bit.

[rplass]

My biggest problem with that, it would mean that he/she/they had all but given up on protecting their home country of Canada and moved to the USA. As a proud Canadian, I don't like that idea one bit.

Sort of... the Avengers routinely take on global-level threats, so by protecting the globe, Sasquatch would be protecting Canada as well.

[Flightpath07]

Sort of... the Avengers routinely take on global-level threats, so by protecting the globe, Sasquatch would be protecting Canada as well.

Sure. But a large part of what made Alpha Flight, Alpha Flight, was that they were based in Canada, taking on threats to their native land.

Yes, i know, they took on plenty of other threats, too. Granted.

[Sypes]

I feel like the odd man out here, but I actualy like all those changes. I know that most people hate changes (or do people fear changes in general? Change jobs, change friends, etc... ) but I actually love changes. I allows new ideas, whether they work or not, to flow and take the good and the bad out of it. If someone never gave Alpha Flight a chance, we wouldn't have had the chance to love them so much. So why not allow the change to come, and then judge whether you like it or not?

[EccentricSage]

"Avengers Canada". Problem solved.

[Flightpath07]

"Avengers Canada". Problem solved.

And...my problem with THAT is...nothing.

As long as it doesn't feature any members of Alpha Flight.

Why would Flight members leave Alpha Flight to join the Avengers? Just because Flight isn't published monthly, doesn't mean the members of said team aren't busy with that team. And, isn't Avengers Canada basically just Omega Flight?

[EccentricSage]

And...my problem with THAT is...nothing.

As long as it doesn't feature any members of Alpha Flight.

Why would Flight members leave Alpha Flight to join the Avengers? Just because Flight isn't published monthly, doesn't mean the members of said team aren't busy with that team. And, isn't Avengers Canada basically just Omega Flight?

Well, I was really just making a joke about how Marvel only values Avengers and X-Men. But I'll give the idea a go anyhow.

Marvel hates Alpha Flight and is Avengers obsessed, and Avengers sells. It's all about branding, and a smart writer could inject quite a bit of meta humor into the book regarding that. The idea is that they'd still be Alpha Flight, but with a new name, to their chagrin, and they'd still refer to themselves as Alpha. Depending on the current state of the Avengers and their relations with the government and PR, that is. I never kept up with Avengers so I'm not sure about their current standing and whether or not it could be played up as a political issue, strengthening alliances, etc.

[Flightpath07]

Well, I was really just making a joke about how Marvel only values Avengers and X-Men. But I'll give the idea a go anyhow.

Marvel hates Alpha Flight and is Avengers obsessed, and Avengers sells. It's all about branding, and a smart writer could inject quite a bit of meta humor into the book regarding that. The idea is that they'd still be Alpha Flight, but with a new name, to their chagrin, and they'd still refer to themselves as Alpha. Depending on the current state of the Avengers and their relations with the government and PR, that is. I never kept up with Avengers so I'm not sure about their current standing and whether or not it could be played up as a political issue, strengthening alliances, etc.

Officially, it's now "No More Avengers".

Y'know, kinda like "No More Mutants" a la Scarlet Witch. Looks like any and all Avengers teams will now have X-Men on them.

So, Canadian Avengers would have to have both Avengers and X-Men on it, as well as Alpha Flight members; so, there wouldn't be room for many Flight members on the team then, while there would be a bunch of American (or at least non-Canadian) heroes on it, making it much more like Omega Flight.

[Le Messor]

I feel like the odd man out here, but I actualy like all those changes. I know that most people hate changes (or do people fear changes in general? Change jobs, change friends, etc... ) but I actually love changes. I allows new ideas, whether they work or not, to flow and take the good and the bad out of it. If someone never gave Alpha Flight a chance, we wouldn't have had the chance to love them so much. So why not allow the change to come, and then judge whether you like it or not?

We fear change.



Why not allow change to come? Because I can't. Any more than I can stop it.
It's going to happen whether I allow it or not.

For a more serious answer to your question:
First, I don't believe there will be much, or any change at all. Most of it will be a change of window dressing in the hopes of a sales spike. Okay, a reshuffling of creative teams - but in some of those books, that is the status quo.

Second, it isn't the change, or the new that I fear - it's loss of what I like. And, in my experience, that's usually what comes of these sweeping changes.

Third, in my opinion, comics have been changing for the worse since the 2000s. (I'd say since the 90s, but I like today's comics much more than 90s comics.)

Fourth, these changes have rarely, if ever in my experience, been for the better.

So, those are my reasons for standing back and watching with an eye of cynicism.

- Le Messor
"If no one uses it, there's a reason."

[Phil]

From what information's been released so far, I'm looking forward to Uncanny Avengers as I absolutely love Uncanny X-Force so I'm trusting Remender's writing, and Cassaday's art is always a joy.

I don't like the concept of All New X-Men and I haven't enjoyed any of Bendis' Marvel work (not slating it, it's just not personally to my taste; he obviously appeals to a lot of people so each to their own) so while I'll get the first issue, I don't hold out hope for my enjoyment.

Hickman's Avengers titles are a grey area for me. I love Hickman's indie work, and his fresh work for hire creations, ie Shield, Secret Warriors, but have found that his Fantastic Four and Ultimates runs haven't sparked anything with me. And the idea of 3 books a month doesn't sit well with my wallet.

But other than UA nothing's been solicited yet, so we'll see come November/December.