Hulk - Mayan Rule

[-K-M-]

You said they were "rescued", so i am taking it that means they are not old dried up dead husks anymore?

Still all dried up, but their free from the Pyramid.

I thought it best not to add my thoughts to this thread!

*sigh* you can add your thoughts

I wont even be mentioning that I won't be adding my thoughts.

Didn't like it?

[Le Messor]

Hulk 54 and 55 are out and no discussion? I like the story and Dale's art alone is worth the purchase.

I haven't had a chance to re-read 53 yet, which I want to do because it could affect my thoughts on the four pages of argument preceding. (I think I missed something that set that argument off.) So, I've been quiet about these.
Also, I don't have 55 yet, edam it!

As far as the 'mutants' thing, I'd say Jones was just pointing out that all but Guardian isn't exactly a human standard, all are altered humans. Not exactly accurate, as to be a mutant means you have mutated (non-standard) genes. A Marvel mutant has a specific x-gene mutation, other 'mutants' have their original DNA altered. I don't think Puck falls into that category, Marrina certainly does, Guardian no, Sasquatch maybe.

Technically, in the MU, 'mutant' simply means you were born with your powers - in the MU. It's a different definition to ours.

I wont even be mentioning that I won't be adding my thoughts.

Didn't like it?

I think that was a joke. Did you notice that Rob mentioned exactly what he posted to say he won't even be mentioning?


- Le Messor
"I'm a prostitute robot from the future!"
~ Manny

[rplass]

Didn't like it?

Heh, I didn't read it yet. It was horribly unfair of me to imply I had a negative opinion of it. I'm so ashamed.

[Flightpath07]

I'm so ashamed.

You need to say that in more of a Kirk voice: "I'm...so ashamed."

[rplass]

Yeah, except Kirk would never say that because he ain't ashamed ever.

[Flightpath07]

Yeah, except Kirk would never say that because he ain't ashamed ever.

Yeah, i should have figured that out from the bad hairpiece.

[EccentricSage]

So, ES...are you in favour of this retcon (Sas is not connected to the Great Beasts and all of AF are mutants), or not? Your answer was a bit ambivalent the way it was written.

I said I favor his mystical origin, and that it soulds like an error that would be easy to, well, write off as an error, not an intentional retcon. It wouldn't make sense to say all of Alpha are mutants... at all.

[Flightpath07]

I said I favor his mystical origin, and that it soulds like an error that would be easy to, well, write off as an error, not an intentional retcon. It wouldn't make sense to say all of Alpha are mutants... at all.

Agreed.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Mokole, Puck was squashed by magic in his original origin (ugh), but after he was freed of the demon sorcerer he was his full height...he was shrunk again later by the Master's technology...So he certainly qualifies as a mutated human.

Dana

[cmdrkoenig67]

The writer appears to be using the term "mutant" for "mutated human", so a few of Alpha Flight certainly fit that description. Rick uses "mutant" in relation to himself (and the other Hulks) too, hence why I think he's using it in place of mutated human.

By the way...I'm really enjoying this story and loving Dale's artwork.

Dana

[Le Messor]

The writer appears to be using the term "mutant" for "mutated human",

Hmm... the official Marvel term for a human mutated later in life is 'mutate', not 'mutant'.
eg: the Savage Land Mutates.

- Le Messor
"I'm not evil again. Why does everyone think that?"
~ Angel

[Phil]

Let's not forget that Rick Jones is using the term, he's not exactly the smartest.

[cmdrkoenig67]

LOL...Exactly Phil.

[bigbloo]

Hulk 55 - All the people drained are basically dead except for Snowbird, this is due to the fact she is powered by the Inuit gods (Inua technically). So guess that means Sasquatch and the Great Beasts is either officially retconned or ignored. Also A-Bomb/Rick Jones says, "Alpha Flight, they're all mutants, aren't they? I mean, that's essentially what we are, but we're not....natural". Then Machine Man says Snowbird is not she is supernautral and doesnt mention the same for Sasquatch. So now Alpha Flight might be retconned to be mutants. Captain America phones team Rulk and mentions Puck has been constantly phoning him for updates. Aurora, Sasquatch and Snowbird are rescued and the rest of the team is going to be brought back to fight the Mayans

Just got issues 53-55!

Some really great art from Eaglsham here.

1. Agree on the Rick Jones making the comment reading. I think it's made out of ignorance and Machine Man's answer is kinda telling every non-AF fan reading the book "You think all of AF is mutants? Wrong!"
2. Since Snowbird seems to be recovering faster because she is a demigoddess, and Sas isn't. I therefor conclude that this writer believes that they are not powered by the same thing. On a side note, Snowbird can transform into the creature Sasquatch because Tanaraq's possession of Walter Langkowski happened in Canada, and therefore under her domain. Then doesn't this mean that any possession of a human by a Great Beast in Canada (for example Tundra's possession of her father) falls under the same category?
3. Sas powers two gods, but A-Bomb powers only one. Does this imply that Sas is made of two seperate entities? Or that Sas is more powerful? What exactly are the Mayan gods absorbing? Just physical strength and vitality? As opposed to "power". Maybe they cannot absorb magic or other forms of energy. So people in general including Snowbird have the same amount, and their potential to generate magic or other forms of energy are untouched?

[-K-M-]

2. Sasquatch is still mystically powered. He's powered by Elder Gods of the Night afterall. Yes and no she has taken the form of Tundra, but she has taken the form of Neooqtoq the Ravager as well and we don't know if he had a human host.
3. Sasquatch is more powerful. They mentioned they were pretty shocked he could bring two while each She Hulk could only bring one. Well they eventually explain it in the new few issues so I won't spoil it as more goes on. The last issue of the story came out today (#57)