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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Messor View Post
    Not necessarily. (Forgetting that it'd be more accurate to say he'll be 99 at his 2013 birthday); the idea of the Marvel sliding scale of time is that the F4's flight moves up with us; so, while in the original comic it took place in 1964, it now took place in 2005; next year in 2006.
    I'm not saying that's not really silly, but it's the conceit Marvel go by.
    So: Mac would still be in his 40s. Or whatever. But Puck is now 99.
    Being effectively immortal, the rules don't have to apply to him.

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    So, the problem that THEN exists, is that if Mac only created the Guardian suit several yeaers ago, or only formed Alpha Flight less than seven years ago, then how did John Byrne write the series in the 80's?

    To me, i don't know why some new comic book company (actually, DC could have stolen this idea for their re-launch) doesn't start out every issue of every series with a date ; the date the issue takes place in that company's continuity. All other issues and series would have to keep track of dates. Thus, as an example, if comic series A during issue 13 got involved in a battle that took place over two days, those days being the 5th and 6th of June 1991, then if series B anted to use a charcater from series A in a storyline (during the same publishing month) it would have to make sure that said storyline fit either before or after the two dates listed, and state so, or use a character that was free duing that time period.

    In other words, screw the times/dates that we the readers read the comics at, and create your own times stamped right into the comics you produce and keep them the same always. You could start a series right now, having it take place in the 80's, you could state exactly what year(s) and date(s), and then there would NEVER be any of this confusion!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Messor View Post
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    The youngest would be Marrina, at eighteen - so old enough to be 'drafted'. Ouch! I wasn't as clear as thought I was: the original 6 ["Mac", Aurora, Northstar, Sasquatch, Shaman, and Snowbird] Not to slight either Judd or Marrina, but how old they are is probably going to be as hard to pin down as Snowbird: Marrina, in the egg, is over 40,000 years old; it is my assumption that with the Plodex genetic imprinting still in effect as of the original run, her "hatching" was just part of how old she is. Puck has a lot of magical stuff connected to him, so really... G/A-F

    (I'm not sure the draft is how Dept. H works; I imagine it's a choice if they're not actively criminal.)

    Also, in-universe, it might make sense to examine these things, but out of universe it's the kind of story that bores me - that has to overthink the concept and drag it down to a pedantic and ultimately dull level (the kind that throws out the heroism with the bathwater). Personally, I'd rather just accept the fantasy side of the whole sitch and enjoy it as a story. Double-ouch! I'm just saying somebody should have (had) a reservation about the legacy children (at the least), and Goblyn and Laura's story could be interesting if told well [their own father nearly killed them in the womb].

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    Not sure why that's an ouch, but sorry, I'm so sorry that I hurt you, I didn't want to make you cry, I'm just a jealous guy.

    I'd only count Marrina's age from her hatching - but ymmv.
    That said, when Gladys touched the egg - right before busting it open - Marrina became 'human', genetically (more or less), and I figure her development was basically normal from then on.

    Goblyn and Laura were more rescued than drafted, but it ended up the same.
    I block v2 from my memory, but yes, that's definitely drafted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    So, the problem that THEN exists, is that if Mac only created the Guardian suit several yeaers ago, or only formed Alpha Flight less than seven years ago, then how did John Byrne write the series in the 80's?
    This is why it's best to just not worry about it, because there is absolutely no way of reconciling everything one way or the other. Spider-Man has (in the Marvel timeline) only been around about 7 years, but has had dozens of Christmas issues. Franklin Richards has been around about 20 years longer than his Power Pack cohorts but they have aged significantly while he's barely aged. Flash Thompson has fought in both Viet Nam and Afghanistan (or Iraq...I forget which). For enjoyment's sake, it's best just to not look at the man behind the curtain and accept it all. Or end up having an aneurysm.

    To me, i don't know why some new comic book company (actually, DC could have stolen this idea for their re-launch) doesn't start out every issue of every series with a date ; the date the issue takes place in that company's continuity. All other issues and series would have to keep track of dates. Thus, as an example, if comic series A during issue 13 got involved in a battle that took place over two days, those days being the 5th and 6th of June 1991, then if series B anted to use a charcater from series A in a storyline (during the same publishing month) it would have to make sure that said storyline fit either before or after the two dates listed, and state so, or use a character that was free duing that time period.

    In other words, screw the times/dates that we the readers read the comics at, and create your own times stamped right into the comics you produce and keep them the same always. You could start a series right now, having it take place in the 80's, you could state exactly what year(s) and date(s), and then there would NEVER be any of this confusion!
    It's a nice thought, and probably able to do in the beginning, but as time went on more and more inconsistencies would pop up. It's just the fact of long-term serialized fiction.

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    Thumbs up As usual, valid points

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Messor View Post
    Not sure why that's an ouch,...(It hurts that I wasn't as clear as I thought I was being; and Marrina, post-hatching, probably is younger than J-P and J-M. I can live with that. G/A-F)

    I'd only count Marrina's age from her hatching - but ymmv. (ahhh...what's "ymmv" mean? G/A-F)
    That said, when Gladys touched the egg - right before busting it open - Marrina became 'human', genetically (more or less), and I figure her development was basically normal from then on. (yeah, makes sense. So she's about 18?)

    Goblyn and Laura were more rescued than drafted, but it ended up the same.
    I block v2 from my memory, but yes, that's definitely drafted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jason Eberly View Post
    For enjoyment's sake, it's best just to not look at the man behind the curtain and accept it all. Or end up having an aneurysm.
    I agree. But how do I go about arranging an aneurysm?

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    My mileage may very 'what'?

    May very well be a potato?

    *shrugging*

    What can i say, I'm easily confu...look, a squirrel!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flightpath07 View Post
    May very well be a potato?
    You say potato, I say topapo.

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    Not 'top Apo'... topaypo; one word. Like Madonna.

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    Ohhhh...that explains it!

    I always thought it was "mad onna", like as in "I'm on it like mad onna bull"

    Sheesh. What will these whacky kids think of next?
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