The new Guardian - the secret is now out

[Canucklehead]

Sasquatch mini!? sorta lol

http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=99485

[batman_von_gein]

i've been looking around on the internt for hours now, looking to see if elizabeth is a canadian or not. all the info i did find said legal status is unknown. thus if legal status is unknown then the one canadian in the pic could still be mac or kyle. i know we had this dicussion before, but did anyone find proof that eliabeth is a canadian citizen?

[Flightpath07]

i know we had this dicussion before, but did anyone find proof that eliabeth is a canadian citizen?

well, i saw somewhere recently that she was born in Alberta. To me, that means Canadian. Father and mother were Canadians, so she should be too.
right?

[batman_von_gein]

i found a site that stats her nationality is sarcee (shaman is also labeled as sarcee). if this i true then guardian is the canadian which opens alot of great doors and makes the suit have pride again. the site i found her on is http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/charac...p?fldAuto=1046

[Flightpath07]

i found a site that stats her nationality is sarcee (shaman is also labeled as sarcee).

Interesting...

[SephirothsKiller]

Well first nations people aren't technically a nation like Quebecers , so she would be Canadian, though part of the Sarcee first nations. If her ancestral grounds crossed into the states she would have citizenship there too, but in fact the Sarcee nation is limited exclusively to Alberta ( a bit of BC too) so she would be Canadian.


Sarcee website: http://www.tsuutina.ca/page.aspx?pageID=2-2

(The spelling tsuutina represents the actual aboriginal name of their tribe.)

[syvalois]

Well first nations people aren't technically a nation

They are not? I think they should. As for quecekers been a nation recognized by the federal, we are still wondering what Harper meant when he used Québécois in the english text...

[RatCat]

Yeah, my first thought was that Talisman is technically from the First Nation rather then Canadian.

But if it turns out that she is the person that Mike was talking about I'm more tempted to believe that the new Guardian will be some high profile Marvel type (like Hawkeye or Pym) rather then someone like Kyle.

It somehow has to connect to Civil War, and Kyle just doesn't seem high profile enough.

[Flightpath07]

Keeping us guessing to the end, aren't they?

Nuts!

[Flightpath07]

Well, potentially there is a way to clear up some of the confusion regarding Talisman.
So, I thought I would give it a shot, and I have emailed Mike Oeming. What the heck, he responded when I wished him a Happy Birthday via email, maybe he will answer my question too!

Here is what I wrote...

Mike,
If you do not mind me asking you, do you consider Shaman and Talisman to be Sarcee nation members, Canadian citizens, or both?
Sincerely,
Flightpath07 on Alpha Waves Forum

Short and simple - let's see if we hook any big fish!

[Mokole]

She's listed as being from Edmonton in Marvel cards I have.

[Flightpath07]

If Mike O gets back to me with an answer, I will let y'all know.

It would be nice to nail down, once and for all, whether or not the dude in the Guardian suit is a Canadian or not. The answer to this question, if received, should go a long way to solving that mystery.
Has no one asked him this before?

[SephirothsKiller]

I just assumed since she was on a team listed as all Canadian, and was born in Canada, and had absolutely no legal reason to not be listed as Canadian that there was no reason to wonder about it.



Well you see Sylvois, what Harper meant was: "I made you guys a nation! This doesn't mean anything, but at least I actually said the words! Now please vote for me in the next election instead of those stinky bloc Quebecois! Pleeease!! I'll bake you pie if you vote for mein the next election!" (Because we all know that this government ain't gonna last that much longer. The NDP can only cooperate with the Conservatives for so long. Then its back to the polls again! (Or for me, first time to the polls.))

[Flightpath07]

I just assumed since she was on a team listed as all Canadian, and was born in Canada, and had absolutely no legal reason to not be listed as Canadian that there was no reason to wonder about it.

Yeah, you'd think so, but according to below, obviously not!

i found a site that stats her nationality is sarcee (shaman is also labeled as sarcee). if this i true then guardian is the canadian which opens alot of great doors and makes the suit have pride again. the site i found her on is http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/charac...p?fldAuto=1046
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Now, then we have this issue...

It somehow has to connect to Civil War, and Kyle just doesn't seem high profile enough.

And this I just do not get. Why does who is in the suit have to connect with Civil War? No matter what, the whole Omega Flight concept, which is American heroes helping Canada deal with the super-powered problem that American law has thrust upon them (super-baddies fleeing to Canada to reap distruction), is all about Civil War.
Huh. Just re-reading that last sentence. Did you ever notice that the only real reason that there needs to be American superheroes dealing with this problem, is because Alpha Flight died in a meaningless fight (a fight that the high-and-mighty Avengers managed to avoid)...
Makes me want to scream "conspiracy theory!"
"Hey, let's kill off this country's coolest and most powerful superheroes (off-panel) , and then send in our own heroes to save the day!"
sigh...
Nothing is ever easy in AF-land, is it?

[Canucklehead]

And this I just do not get. Why does who is in the suit have to connect with Civil War?

I think early on, when the first team silhouette was published, the question was asked about who was in the suit, the reply was something like "We can't tell you, it may ruin the ending to Civil War". Then again, that was the same time period when it was rumoured OF would be making an apperance in either the main CW book or Frontline. So basically we're back to square one.

Something popped into my head about a month ago when we first saw the Sasquatch image. That's when I first considered Kyle as Guardian. Wasn't it rumoured Kyle was Walters child at some point? Was that ever followed up on or debunked?

Also, if it is an american in the suit, why would he be crying/angry in all of the promo pics? You'd think that expression would be held only by someone who was deeply effected by what happened to Alpha.