My Dads Bigger Than Your Dad
My Dads Bigger Than Your Dad
Del
Driftwood: Well, I got about a foot and a half. Now, it says, uh, "The party of the second part shall be known in this contract as the party of the second part."
Fiorello: Well, I don't know about that...
Driftwood: Now what's the matter?
Fiorello: I no like-a the second party, either.
Driftwood: Well, you should've come to the first party. We didn't get home 'til around four in the morning... I was blind for three days!
We actually had a very long drawn out debate on this matter a while back over at the Classic Marvel RPG site.Originally Posted by King Mungi
Apparently Cap was shown working out with some other hero and bench pressing an absolutely insane weight. Pretty well all sources however rank his strength at maximum human. The thing is, they list max. human as an 800 lb. military press. NO ONE ON RECORD has ever military pressed 800 lbs. The record stands somewhere around 600 lbs!
I would say that consistent in-comic demonstrations trump handbooks. Take Saquatch for instance, who has consistently displayed Class 100 strength levels in various comics, and yet who is consistently listed as an 80-tonner in pretty well all handbooks.
I would say that Cap is capable of exceptional feats of strength... slightly beyond that attainable for a human being of any build/weight, but not approaching any kind of weight that could be measured in tons.
The truly remarkable thing about Cap isn't his strength, but his combination of physical attributes in combination with his height, weight and build. He is (at least) as strong as a 320 lb. powerlifter, as agile as a 5' tall 135 lb gymnast, can sprint or long jump as fast and far as a 190 lb. (black) sprinter, has the stamina of a 110 lb marathon runner, the reflexes of a light weight boxer, is well above and beyond a world class 180 lb decathelete in all areas, etc.
THAT is what truly makes Cap *super* human.
Your right, this is what you said. "Do we know that she could move a male with just one punch?". I thought you said "could a female move a male with just one punch".Originally Posted by Phil
Yet you keep claiming MMJ is stronger. Also here lets look at it this way, if she didn't have a form of super strength why would she even try to punch MMJ?ARGH! We don't at all!!!!
"I could take several rounds of punches from a mugger before passing out or whatever, it doesn't give me super powers." Fine, it's a stalemateOnce again, please re-read what I wrote carefully.
Never once have I mentioned me myself taking a punch personally.
And once again, we're at stalemate about Heather being stronger.
I was talking compeltly about something else, such as taking a punch and not budging from a super powered individua;.So why did you say I was wrong to not be impressed;
See below.Originally Posted by King Mungi
What? no you claimed if a multiple ton character punched a norm they wouldn't even budge. Yet countless examples contradict that. Then there is the whole fact MMJ even killed the Plodex VindicatorWhich backs up my point....
Neither of which would add anything to the strength of a punch and whether or not it would move MMLJ....I meant other areas such as abilities, and fighting skills.
Fine with me, just pointing out MMJ took a punch from Plodex VindicatorSo we're still at stalemate?
That's my point they are peak human, yet both can claim superhuman feats. Look at his featsSo MMLJ is a peak human as well, so he is on strength levels of Cap, both of which are shown in one set of handbooks to be stronger than Heather.
Which again, gives credit to MMLJ being able to take a punch from her...
I know he was doing it with Demolition Man, but Cap has also survived falling 100 stories with no damage and landing on his feet *jumped out of a helicopter*.Originally Posted by Powersurge
I agree, as handbooks greatly contradict what was shown in comics as I mentioned earlier.
Here's a good list of his feats: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f95/t390466.html
Jumping out of a helicopter isn't that impressive.
If it's on the ground.
Or if you end up a smear.
My take has always been that MML has powers, kinda, but they're stored in Thunder, kinda. So, while he technically has powers when Thunder is around, he doesn't when Thunder's gone. And Thunder always has powers.
So, Thunder can focus powers through him, or something.
- Le Messor
"Atheism is the result of ignorance and pride; of strong sense and feeble reasons; of good eating and ill-living. It is the plague of society, the corrupter of manners, and the underminer of property."
- Jeremy Collier
My claim is that the recent handbooks say that he is stronger, and that he has no powers.Originally Posted by King Mungi
That's all I have to go on. That's the only reason I've added anything to this thread.
Because 'she' was an evil Plodex and he was trying to stop 'her' taking over the world?Also here lets look at it this way, if she didn't have a form of super strength why would she even try to punch MMJ?
Which surely indicates he was stronger?Then there is the whole fact MMJ even killed the PlodexVindicator
Which I agree with.Fine with me, just pointing out MMJ took a punch from Plodex Vindicator
It makes him strong, peak human, but I still wouldn't go as far as to say super strong.
Okay, I just find it hard to believe that a Super Soldier is weaker than a female who up untill her husband died was a simple young housewife, and has suddenly become a super strengthed individual in a short while, in the grand scheme of Marvel timeThat's my point they are peak human, yet both can claim superhuman feats.
Then this whole topic is Marvel's faultI agree, as handbooks greatly contradict what was shown in comics as I mentioned earlier.
My browser wouldn't open the link at the top of the thread, which, apparently, contained the juicy stuff.Originally Posted by King Mungi
When you mention the 100 story fall and jump out of a heli, are you refering to ultmiate Cap in the ultiamte Avengers movie?
That Cap also displayed strength that was easily superhuman.
Y'all, I think Powersurge made an excellent point. And since no one seemed to notice it, I figured I'd quote it. Because he has a total point, even if Plodex Heather wasn't at her actual strongest, she was still pretty darn strong.Originally Posted by Powersurge
Though as for Major Mapleleaf Sr not being abusive... he was in one heck of a mental state in #106. He tried to kill an innocent baby. I don't think it's too far a leap to think that maybe he smacked his son around a bit, especially if his son wasn't as 'good' as Michael. Though where is MMjr's mother?
I seriously want the Walter stuffed animal from AF #106. Seriously.
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Probably dead from her husband beating. Actually, I would like to see MMF senior as a villain, suit him better with such an awful name.Originally Posted by Effexxor
And as for judo, one you learn, you never forget, your body knows the movement before my mind, it's just I'm not in shape anymore. Anyway, I never really knew what I was doing, instinct where there and I was winning(sometimes), that's all I asked for. For the rest I agree with Del, your dad better than mine, oups I think it's my dad better than yours.
Quand l'appétit va, tout va!
-Obélix
I have no experience with amnesia (OK, a little) but I think you would still have skills. After all, can't amnesiacs talk and walk and so on? It's only one part of the brain and there's a lot going on there, amnesia really does only afftect memory right?
Keep your stick on the ice.
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My country has more tanks than your country.Originally Posted by DelBubs
I forgot what we were talking about....
Well it's like this Ben, someone said that maybe MMLjr is well ard cos he took a smack in the chops from a Plodex Vindicator. Some one else said "Yea, he's ard, but not well'ard, cos him being 'ard comes from his horse". Then someone said well maybe he's 'arder than the average hardman, but not super human 'ard. It's a debate on how 'ard is MMLjr? Consensus seems to be coming around to the point that maybe he's worm fodder anyways so it's a bit moot.
Del
Driftwood: Well, I got about a foot and a half. Now, it says, uh, "The party of the second part shall be known in this contract as the party of the second part."
Fiorello: Well, I don't know about that...
Driftwood: Now what's the matter?
Fiorello: I no like-a the second party, either.
Driftwood: Well, you should've come to the first party. We didn't get home 'til around four in the morning... I was blind for three days!
*opens bag of peanuts*
Man I love it when people get into stupid arguments..... especially when one of them isn't me....
Allan 'HappyCanuck' Crocker
"Hey... Philosophers love wisdom, not mankind."
- Stephen Pastis, Pearls Before Swine
My country knows how to use them properlyOriginally Posted by Guardian
Del
Driftwood: Well, I got about a foot and a half. Now, it says, uh, "The party of the second part shall be known in this contract as the party of the second part."
Fiorello: Well, I don't know about that...
Driftwood: Now what's the matter?
Fiorello: I no like-a the second party, either.
Driftwood: Well, you should've come to the first party. We didn't get home 'til around four in the morning... I was blind for three days!
... Aaaaand my country will be there with the mop to clean up your messes....Originally Posted by DelBubs
Allan 'HappyCanuck' Crocker
"Hey... Philosophers love wisdom, not mankind."
- Stephen Pastis, Pearls Before Swine