Alpha Flight movie ideas

[Legerd]

Naaaaa....they can always show flashbacks during the actual story as many movies before have done the same thing. Also you don't want to bore people with the backstory so you want to keep it short and sweet and talk more in the sequel. Omega Flight isn't a major threat, and killing Mac right away would be a mistake.

Have to disagree with you KM. The first movie needs to introduce the team, which means you need a good chunk of time to explain who they are, how the came to be, etc. You would then have to explain the Master's b/g and, if using the alien invasion idea, the Plodex and their history. Even as flashbacks there is just too much story to tell. And worse than boring people is not explaining things for the folks who don't know the comic. Better to annoy some diehard fans than make the film inscrutable to the greater number of non-fans who will see it. However, OF is tied to AF's past so both histories can be told at the same time, avoiding having to explain motivations, and powers later.

Saying OF isn't a major threat is (IMO) just plain wrong. Remember, they were able to defeat AF in the first series (somewhere in the mid-twenty issues IIRC). Not to mention, as I said in my earlier post, OF would have the advantage of surprise, knowledge of their opponents and even hostages (Heather). Those are powerful advantages to have!

As for Mac, I never said he would have to die. Remember, the movie doesn't have to (and rarely ever does) follow the comic exactly. Mac could be killed in a sequel, or never be killed at all!

The Master would make for a great sequel though. That would allow for his backstory and motivations to be explained while leaving plenty of time for telling the story. If Mac was to die, I would rather see it at the hands of the Master. Then in the third movie Heather could take up the mantle of Guardian (all the while struggling with the responsibilities and the emotions that come with it) to bravely lead her team against whatever new threat that has appeared.

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any suggestions for the actors

[-K-M-]

Have to disagree with you KM. The first movie needs to introduce the team, which means you need a good chunk of time to explain who they are, how the came to be, etc. You would then have to explain the Master's b/g and, if using the alien invasion idea, the Plodex and their history. Even as flashbacks there is just too much story to tell. And worse than boring people is not explaining things for the folks who don't know the comic. Better to annoy some diehard fans than make the film inscrutable to the greater number of non-fans who will see it. However, OF is tied to AF's past so both histories can be told at the same time, avoiding having to explain motivations, and powers later.

Saying OF isn't a major threat is (IMO) just plain wrong. Remember, they were able to defeat AF in the first series (somewhere in the mid-twenty issues IIRC). Not to mention, as I said in my earlier post, OF would have the advantage of surprise, knowledge of their opponents and even hostages (Heather). Those are powerful advantages to have!

As for Mac, I never said he would have to die. Remember, the movie doesn't have to (and rarely ever does) follow the comic exactly. Mac could be killed in a sequel, or never be killed at all!

The Master would make for a great sequel though. That would allow for his backstory and motivations to be explained while leaving plenty of time for telling the story. If Mac was to die, I would rather see it at the hands of the Master. Then in the third movie Heather could take up the mantle of Guardian (all the while struggling with the responsibilities and the emotions that come with it) to bravely lead her team against whatever new threat that has appeared.

Ummm...you can still explain the history of AF and still have the Master, and that's actually quite easy to tell. Also it would only take less than 10 minutes to explain the Master's story it's not that indepth. There isn't much story at all, and how often have you seen any comic book movie actually go indepth of each characters history? none. Remember who came first in the comics, Master appeared much earlier than O.F

They never defeated them, they defeated a few members as they were tricked with Dark Guardian but never the entire team. Also if you go that route you would have to kill Mac and then make D.G appear in the same movie which would make no senses what's so ever. They were easily thumped in their first apperance, even with suprize. Look at the marketability, what's better an alien invasion or a group of misfit outcasts that lose in their first apperance?

Then you just defeated the entire point of O.F, their has to be something to come out of it.

You can do all that in the first movie, hell you would have to do more backstory for each member of Omega Flight and how they became such plus the history of AF. It would become to cluttered and well boring. Alien invasion is far more marketable.

[shaman]

I think it would be fun to work out a suitable cast, here is the big question. Who would play Guardian? we would need a strong lead but not someone that everyone knows, plus it wouldn't hurt if he was a Canadian actor as well

[Legerd]

Ummm...you can still explain the history of AF and still have the Master, and that's actually quite easy to tell. Also it would only take less than 10 minutes to explain the Master's story it's not that indepth. There isn't much story at all...

You probably could but it wouldn't be very good IMO, remember, you're telling a story to more than just fans who already know the characters. People seeing them for the first time won't know squat about AF, so some time needs to be spent getting the audience up to speed on the team. It doesn't have to be overly detailed as further fleshing out can occur in any sequels, but it has to be done. Then the villain needs to be introduced and his motivations explained before finally revealling his evil scheme.

...and how often have you seen any comic book movie actually go indepth of each characters history? none.

Batman Begins was extremely indepth and had to be! Not only to explain how and why Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, but also who Ra's Al Ghul is and why he's trying to destroy Gotham. Now that the first movie has laid down all the ground work the next movie (which introduces the Joker) can spend more time on the plot and the characters.

Remember who came first in the comics, Master appeared much earlier than O.F.

By that logic the Great Beasts should be in the first movie then, but honestly does it matter who came first in comic book history? What's important is telling a good story. The Master is the villain of AF, and I think he needs to be given the time and attention to be properly introduced to the audience. The first movie is to introduce AF, the second would be to introduce the Master and add some depth to AF.

They never defeated them, they defeated a few members as they were tricked with Dark Guardian but never the entire team.

Which could be the method they use to attack AF in the movie, divide and conquer. In the end the team rallies to help save Guardian, big fight and the heroes win.

Also if you go that route you would have to kill Mac and then make D.G appear in the same movie which would make no senses what's so ever.

Sorry, but there is no rule saying Guardian has to die. Though, that would be a great draw for fans don't you think? They would go just to see if he really does get killed. As for DG, how about this idea: Jaxxon seeks revenge on Mac so he builds a robot that resembles him to kidnap Heather and trick the other Alphans into disbanding leaving the real Guardian alone to face OF.

They were easily thumped in their first apperance, even with suprize. Look at the marketability, what's better an alien invasion or a group of misfit outcasts that lose in their first apperance?

OF doesn't have to be presented as "misfits", they could be shown as extremely dangerous criminals and sociopaths.

Then you just defeated the entire point of O.F, their has to be something to come out of it.

Isn't that the purpose of the heroes winning? The point of OF is to exact revenge on Guardian, if AF prevents that then the good guys win. The audience should be happy. What comes out of it is an entertaining and (hopefully) money-making movie.

You can do all that in the first movie, hell you would have to do more backstory for each member of Omega Flight and how they became such plus the history of AF. It would become to cluttered and well boring.

Here is where you can save some time on the backstory. The members of AF and the future OF are all part of Dept. H, so you can introduce them all at once, focusing more on AF. It would have to be cheated a bit that Jaxxon was part of Dept. H and did something involving the Omegan characters to get them all tossed out and therefore seeking revenge on Mac. Right there you would have an intro of all the characters and their connections as well as the villains' motivations.

Alien invasion is far more marketable.

Tell that to the producers of the War Of The Worlds remake.

[-K-M-]

[quote="Legerd"]

Ummm...you can still explain the history of AF and still have the Master, and that's actually quite easy to tell. Also it would only take less than 10 minutes to explain the Master's story it's not that indepth. There isn't much story at all...

You probably could but it wouldn't be very good IMO, remember, you're telling a story to more than just fans who already know the characters. People seeing them for the first time won't know squat about AF, so some time needs to be spent getting the audience up to speed on the team. It doesn't have to be overly detailed as further fleshing out can occur in any sequels, but it has to be done. Then the villain needs to be introduced and his motivations explained before finally revealling his evil scheme.

Read every issue Master explains his history...it's two pages. It's not indepth or long. He was from, 40,000 years ago and sumpled into a ship and was tortured until he found a way to control the ship...that's it. We don't need to know his favorite color, even the most imposing villians are the ones we know nothing about. Once again that doesn't take long, and would take a shorter time than introducing Omega Flight.

...and how often have you seen any comic book movie actually go indepth of each characters history? none.

Batman Begins was extremely indepth and had to be! Not only to explain how and why Bruce Wayne becomes Batman, but also who Ra's Al Ghul is and why he's trying to destroy Gotham. Now that the first movie has laid down all the ground work the next movie (which introduces the Joker) can spend more time on the plot and the characters.

But they didn't go that indepth with Ra's Al Ghul such as his "true" orgins, his daughters or the Lazarus Pit. The groundwork of one character is a lot different than setting the ground work for a team, plus another villian team that never had much pull anyways. Did X-Men explain each members orgins? no. It's damn near impossible to give a good indepth story for 7 or so good-guy characters and plus story of the villian team. It would be boring.

Remember who came first in the comics, Master appeared much earlier than O.F.

By that logic the Great Beasts should be in the first movie then, but honestly does it matter who came first in comic book history? What's important is telling a good story. The Master is the villain of AF, and I think he needs to be given the time and attention to be properly introduced to the audience. The first movie is to introduce AF, the second would be to introduce the Master and add some depth to AF.

Actually you could have Tundra in the first movie, and yeah it does. No the thing is telling a good story that makes money, alien invasion is a hot ticket. Doing that doesn't take long, would even take less time then introducing each member of Omega Flight. It would be 10 minutes tops to give an indepth history lesson of him. Once again you don't want to bore people with facts, audiences are fickle.

They never defeated them, they defeated a few members as they were tricked with Dark Guardian but never the entire team.

Which could be the method they use to attack AF in the movie, divide and conquer. In the end the team rallies to help save Guardian, big fight and the heroes win.

They did divide and conquer, but they couldn't beat them one on one so D.G attacked them from the shadows and brining in D.G in the first movie would be a huge mistake

Also if you go that route you would have to kill Mac and then make D.G appear in the same movie which would make no senses what's so ever.

Sorry, but there is no rule saying Guardian has to die. Though, that would be a great draw for fans don't you think? They would go just to see if he really does get killed. As for DG, how about this idea: Jaxxon seeks revenge on Mac so he builds a robot that resembles him to kidnap Heather and trick the other Alphans into disbanding leaving the real Guardian alone to face OF.

Mac dying is one of the best stories of AF, you know how made people would be. People complained they changed small details in X-Men and now you want to change the most influential moment in the entire AF series? Yeah definetly think that's the wrong way to go. To basic for a hollywood blockbuster, and then you cut out the rest of the members of AF from the movie.

They were easily thumped in their first apperance, even with suprize. Look at the marketability, what's better an alien invasion or a group of misfit outcasts that lose in their first apperance?

OF doesn't have to be presented as "misfits", they could be shown as extremely dangerous criminals and sociopaths.

I find it hard to believe people would care about Smart Alec, Flashback, Wild Child and various others. They were never that popular to begin with

Then you just defeated the entire point of O.F, their has to be something to come out of it.

Isn't that the purpose of the heroes winning? The point of OF is to exact revenge on Guardian, if AF prevents that then the good guys win. The audience should be happy. What comes out of it is an entertaining and (hopefully) money-making movie.

That was the only credibility O.F had in the entire series, AF won in the comics but suffered a major loss that changed the face of the rest of the series. Guardian dying was crticially acclaimed for such a feat, and let's be honest blood, gore and sex sell. A heroic hero dying and still leaving his mark on the world would have far more impact than a typical good guys always win movie.

You can do all that in the first movie, hell you would have to do more backstory for each member of Omega Flight and how they became such plus the history of AF. It would become to cluttered and well boring.

Here is where you can save some time on the backstory. The members of AF and the future OF are all part of Dept. H, so you can introduce them all at once, focusing more on AF. It would have to be cheated a bit that Jaxxon was part of Dept. H and did something involving the Omegan characters to get them all tossed out and therefore seeking revenge on Mac. Right there you would have an intro of all the characters and their connections as well as the villains' motivations.

Except for the introduction would take less time to introduce one villian not a whole team of them. O.F wouldn't have the marketability as a serious threat if brought to the big screen. Big superhero teams need serious large threats

Alien invasion is far more marketable

Tell that to the producers of War Of The Worlds remake.

Ummmm...WoW made $234,280,354 It was one of the biggest grossing movies of the year it was released. Kinda hurt your point there

[Legerd]

Read every issue Master explains his history...it's two pages. It's not indepth or long. He was from, 40,000 years ago and sumpled into a ship and was tortured until he found a way to control the ship...that's it. We don't need to know his favorite color, even the most imposing villians are the ones we know nothing about. Once again that doesn't take long, and would take a shorter time than introducing Omega Flight.

I don't think we need an indepth history of OF, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we need one of the Master, if you want the audience to care about him as a villain. To rattle off his history as a quick flashback wouldn't have the same emphasis.

But they didn't go that indepth with Ra's Al Ghul such as his "true" orgins, his daughters or the Lazarus Pit.

For one good reason, because they had nothing to do with the story. You don't make mention of something unless it's relevant to the film, or the sequel. Besides I was refering to Batman's history here not Ra's.

I find it hard to believe people would care about Smart Alec, Flashback, Wild Child and various others. They were never that popular to begin with

Hey, AF was never that popular either I guess we shouldn't bother with the film.

Ummmm...WoW made $234,280,354 It was one of the biggest grossing movies of the year it was released. Kinda hurt your point there

Not really, that was the gross income on the film domestically, now subtract the cost of producing it, which was $132,000,000 officially (it's rumoured they spent alot more), and how big of a deal is it? It was a hollywood summer blockbuster with a big name producer, a big name star, remaking a classic movie based on a classic story that was heavily promoted, of course it was going to make money. However, it didn't make nearly what they expected. They projected $150 mill. opening day, the made a little over $30 mill. That's a loss. Most critics gave it a bad review as did most people who saw it. It wasn't that popular.

[-K-M-]

[quote="Legerd"]

Read every issue Master explains his history...it's two pages. It's not indepth or long. He was from, 40,000 years ago and sumpled into a ship and was tortured until he found a way to control the ship...that's it. We don't need to know his favorite color, even the most imposing villians are the ones we know nothing about. Once again that doesn't take long, and would take a shorter time than introducing Omega Flight.

I don't think we need an indepth history of OF, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is we need one of the Master, if you want the audience to care about him as a villain. To rattle off his history as a quick flashback wouldn't have the same emphasis.

Except Master would have far more pull for a first movie than OF would ever have. There isn't anything on a movie scale to have OF right off the bat in the first movie. Fiancially it wouldn't be the wisest to start the franchise off with a group of characters that never admounted to anything. You could have the Master explain his history to AF just like he did in the comics, and he definetly would be more imposing as villian than OF.

But they didn't go that indepth with Ra's Al Ghul such as his "true" orgins, his daughters or the Lazarus Pit.

For one good reason, because they had nothing to do with the story. You don't make mention of something unless it's relevant to the film, or the sequel. Besides I was refering to Batman's history here not Ra's.

I'm talking about the Master, you need a basic information on a character but once again look at X-Men did any of the three films explain one characters history from the past? no. Lazaraus Pit is a major focal point and reaccuring event in the comics, I still don't see how OF can even be considered a major threat as they wern't even in the comics

I find it hard to believe people would care about Smart Alec, Flashback, Wild Child and various others. They were never that popular to begin with

Hey, AF was never that popular either I guess we shouldn't bother with the film.

Actually AF is popular is well known, even vol.2 sold very well before it's cancellation and looking at the numbers would be a dream come true todays sails. Look at the uproar it caused across the net with AF death, they are far from unknown. While OF....who cares...literally, they don't have the same rich history as AF and the first team disbanded around AF #20 and wern't seen again by the group of misfits led by Master. Without Mac's death they would just be another Caliber

Ummmm...WoW made $234,280,354 It was one of the biggest grossing movies of the year it was released. Kinda hurt your point there

Not really, that was the gross income on the film domestically, now subtract the cost of producing it, which was $132,000,000 officially (it's rumoured they spent alot more), and how big of a deal is it? It was a hollywood summer blockbuster with a big name producer, a big name star, remaking a classic movie based on a classic story that was heavily promoted, of course it was going to make money. However, it didn't make nearly what they expected. They projected $150 mill. opening day, the made a little over $30 mill. That's a loss. Most critics gave it a bad review as did most people who saw it. It wasn't that popular.

You crazy? worldwide they made $591,739,379 so subtract $132,000,000 and you still have a massive success. And....? it still made that amount of money with the producer, actor, etc. They have the money ticket AF wouldn't. So wouldn't you need something momentus to draw people to AF in their first movie rather than a bunch of dropouts?
When do critics ever give good reviews, and it was popular not the ending. It even reached the 200 million mark even before Batman...hell even made more money in total (domestic and worldwide). How that movie is a failure is beyond me.

[Legerd]

Well KM, I guess we just have to disagree on who should be in the first movie.

You crazy? worldwide they made $591,739,379 so subtract $132,000,000 and you still have a massive success. And....? it still made that amount of money with the producer, actor, etc. They have the money ticket AF wouldn't. So wouldn't you need something momentus to draw people to AF in their first movie rather than a bunch of dropouts?
When do critics ever give good reviews, and it was popular not the ending. It even reached the 200 million mark even before Batman...hell even made more money in total (domestic and worldwide). How that movie is a failure is beyond me.

I just saw a news report that will explain this for you. Tom Cruise's movies haven't been doing as well as they are expected, so his production company is now going to recieve less money to develop new scripts. This is just one effect when a movie doesn't make the amount of money it is targeted to make. WOTW didn't make its target projections, because of that (and MI3) Tom Cruise is losing money for his production company. Do you get it now?

[-K-M-]

Well KM, I guess we just have to disagree on who should be in the first movie.

I just saw a news report that will explain this for you. Tom Cruise's movies haven't been doing as well as they are expected, so his production company is now going to recieve less money to develop new scripts. This is just one effect when a movie doesn't make the amount of money it is targeted to make. WOTW didn't make its target projections, because of that (and MI3) Tom Cruise is losing money for his production company. Do you get it now?

That was because of his TomKat antics such as on Oprah, Leno and Letterman everyone know thinks he is a wacko..I'm one of them. Also no that's compeltly seperate topic as War of the Worlds was a huge success fianically. The special effects, history and the actors is what brought it in. Tom's antics afterwards hurt his carrer not the movie itself. Even though it didn't make it's targets, which is probally did with DVD sales and merchandise it made massive amounts of money and was far from a failure. If they are worried is losing his hollywood draw which is still high then don't cast him. However, the concepts of alien invasions has always been in high regard in the hollywood community.

[Legerd]

That was because of his TomKat antics such as on Oprah, Leno and Letterman everyone know thinks he is a wacko..I'm one of them. Also no that's compeltly seperate topic as War of the Worlds was a huge success fianically. The special effects, history and the actors is what brought it in. Tom's antics afterwards hurt his carrer not the movie itself. Even though it didn't make it's targets, which is probally did with DVD sales and merchandise it made massive amounts of money and was far from a failure. If they are worried is losing his hollywood draw which is still high then don't cast him. However, the concepts of alien invasions has always been in high regard in the hollywood community.

You know what KM, forget it. I tired of trying to explain it.

[evenflow]

Ok here is my ALL-TIME cast of actors/actresses for my Alpha Flight movie.

Mac/Vindicator: Clint Walker



Walter Langkowski/Sasquatch: Barry Bostwick



Eugene Judd/Puck: Nathan Fillion



Jeanne-Marie Beaubier/Aurora: Jennifer Connolly



Jean-Paul Beaubier/Northstar: Rupert Everett



Michael Twoyoungmen/Shaman: Graham Greene



Narya/Snowbird: Uma Thurman

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jerry...jerry...jerry
ding ding

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Walt looks old as dirt.
the Snowbird, Shaman pics were good

[shaman]

I would love to see Timm Curry as the Master if Barry Bostwick was Sasquatch. just think of the Rocky Horror Jokes they could do