"Ultimate" AF, better than no AF?

[Northcott]

Thumbs up, soldier! Always looking to help out.

I just don't see the point of discrimnating arbitrarily based on fantasy worlds. The quality of the individual product matters more to me.

[cmdrkoenig67]

Condescending responses do little to change my opinion or how I feel about the Ultimate line of comics. In my opinion(still), they have been so far, very destructive to the characters they portray. Heroes should remain heroes.

Dana

[Le Messor]

Yeah, and now I'm imagining the DreamQueen as an ordinary hooker - or maybe, a porn queen. But I think Dana's summary fits the Ultimate line the best. Except something we've all forgotten. Somebody, but I don't know who, is going to have to change race at random. Will Mac be black? Will Heather be Asian?

No, these people aren't real. But that doesn't mean they'll suddenly change personality for no reason - not even Aurora. Even in a world of superheroes, that defies 'belief'.
And it doesn't mean that when I read a comic called Alpha Flight, I want to read about different people - even if they -look- like the ones I know. And the Ultimate versions will be different people.

- Le Messor
"Cheap things are of no value, valuable things are not cheap."

[Northcott]

Condescending responses do little to change my opinion or how I feel about the Ultimate line of comics.

It's not condescension -- it's direct confusion. I really can't see why anybody would get upset over versions of make-believe characters if essential elements are preserved. Nor does labelling one fictional character as the "real" version make any kind of sense to me.

In my opinion(still), they have been so far, very destructive to the characters they portray. Heroes should remain heroes.

I haven't kept up with most of them, but at the point I stopped paying attention Spider-Man was every bit as heroic as his mainstream version. Several of the X-Men, with seriously flawed pasts erased, are now more heroic than their predecessors. Even in the Ultimates, the poster-child for bastardization of characters, Tony Stark has proven to be just as (if not more) heroic than his mainstream counterpart.

It's certainly true that it's been destructive to some characters, but to others it's been a boon. The generalization simply doesn't hold true when examined.

[cmdrkoenig67]

It's not condescension -- it's direct confusion. I really can't see why anybody would get upset over versions of make-believe characters if essential elements are preserved. Nor does labelling one fictional character as the "real" version make any kind of sense to me.

perhaps original is a better word.

In my opinion(still), they have been so far, very destructive to the characters they portray. Heroes should remain heroes.

I haven't kept up with most of them, but at the point I stopped paying attention Spider-Man was every bit as heroic as his mainstream version. Several of the X-Men, with seriously flawed pasts erased, are now more heroic than their predecessors. Even in the Ultimates, the poster-child for bastardization of characters, Tony Stark has proven to be just as (if not more) heroic than his mainstream counterpart.

It's certainly true that it's been destructive to some characters, but to others it's been a boon. The generalization simply doesn't hold true when examined.

Okay, Ed....have it your way.

Dana

[Ben]

Gentlemen, lets keep in mind that this is a place we can all express our opinions, and respect those of others. You have differing opinions, which makes life interesting, but lets not let these differences become a negative thing.

Ben

[cmdrkoenig67]

Sure thing, Ben.

Dana