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    Quote Originally Posted by Canucklehead
    So the old team takes off? Even Snowbird? Can her new body now leave the "northern boundary" that is Canada? Perhaps she cannot and it will effect her. She'll return to Earth where she will get her little makeover revamp?
    Actually, Mantlo reduced that limitation that Shaman had accidentally placed on her. Remember "Snow-whale" in Atlantis? The mystery is why he bothered just to kill her in less than a year.
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    the thing is, we as loyal af readers are going to buy the book because we are long time fans, if i was someone that wanted to give the series a shot and had this issue be the conclusion, i would drop it and those are the readers you need to make a succesful book.

    heck, i already dropped excalibur because i don't like the characters.


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    I can understand most of your sentiments. I like the charcters, art, and overall plot but as I said the writing needs improvement. I am no fan of old AF really, I always thought the original Hudson teams were set up to be weak knock-offs and escapees from the insane asylum.

    I mean an engineer with zero experience outside a desk creates and runs the team in the field? His secretary wife then takes over? The experienced natural leader/fighter never gets to take over?? Aurora is insane but on the team anyway? Her brother is also odd in his fights with authority. A half-god character? Honestly I liked Puck and thought Shaman was useful, Sasquatch had potential (and to be fair Sasquatch finally reaches his potential only in version 3).

    Heather always was a whiner, Puck always a 'quitter' (what leader has better ideas but always defers to the secretary put in charge? If Judd were a real person you'd think he must be going through the motions before retirement).

    I always saw old Alpha Flight in battle like this:

    Mac says go after the enemy full throttle, Heather disagrees and says they need a plan and goes her own way. Puck mutters what they really should be doing but follows orders (Heathers). Mac gets frustrated but follows Heather. Aurora changes personality and runs. Northstar says, "screw this" and goes after her. Sasquatch and Shaman try to salvage the victory with brute power. If they succeed the enemy dies. If they fail some of AF dies.

    Ever notice how virtually every writer had Mac Hudson's (original or synthoid/clone) plan off attack fail? Puck have better ideas but defer to Heather? Sasquatch disappear half the time? Shaman as well? "I'm a scientist" "I'm a doctor"

    I hope Lobdell cuts out the garbage humour soon and installs action in its place. If he doesn't I agree, Alpha Flight won't get past issue #12, and Zuzha and Major Mapleleaf will join 50 other Alphans in oblivion. Is that what you all want???

    I want this AF to succeed and get up to at least issue 100. I could take these characters and write a few great stories easily (AF destroys Apocalypse's regeneration chamber, cheesing off SHIELD...)
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    To be honest, I have to say that I am disappointed with this arc as well. But I know it's going to pick up from here. Lemme explain why:

    I understand what Lobdell was trying to do. In order to get new readers to care about Alpha Flight, he needed to create a new team with a new feel. Plus, rehashing Alpha Flight's awful continuity would be way too much of a chore.

    With this first arc, he needed to explain the need for a new team, while also getting rid of the old one. Lobdell knew it would be his head if he just handed over Canada to this new team, so that's where this out of taking the Plodex eggs comes in. Also, he needed to keep some mystery surrounding new characters, as to not spoil future arcs.

    That's why we don't know the full extent of their powers or their histories. We know probably more about Major Mapleleaf than anyone else, so naturally he is the most popular of these new additions. With Nemesis' history with the book, it makes sense for her to be a close second.

    Now that Lobdell has the baggage out of the way, and he's free to do what he pleases with these characters from here on out, I'm definitely looking forward to stronger issues out of him.

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    Well bud, I can see that you don't read many of my posts. I said my kids and I like Alpha Flight and like the characters Lobdell created. I was echoing sentiments I've read here and all over the 'net about issue #6. Me and the boys like the 6 characters, like that old AF is gone, and like the plot/art. They want me to keep buying AF.

    What is a fanboy, anyway? I suspect it's someone who buys a comic no matter what. Well, I have about 7 issues of version 1 Alpha Flight. I have 5 of version 2. And I have all of version 3. So what the heck is a 'fanboy'??

    I want Alpha Flight to succeed. Not as a home for mental patients but as a superhero comic. I obviously KNOW that Lobdell writes character-driven books (after all, wasn't Generation X?). I like that the characters are different, that YJ pouts, that Zuzha is on top of things, that MML has a backbone.

    I'd prefer it if everyone here had as high an opinion of what ANADAF will be as I do. Everyone has there opinion of what they want in AF, I personally want the Hudsons as far away as possible. I'm not getting Box or Feedback but am I complaining? No, I get Major Mapleleaf and Zuzha Yu.

    To finish, I want to know Zuzha's abilities/powers that she talks about.

    I know Batman is a guy who using tech and such to his advantage. Captain America has a supersoldier serum that gives him added strength, speed, toughness, durability, and longevity, plus that shield. Judd is a very experienced hand-to-hand fighter who lead his own supergroup once and was the only member of old Alpha Flight with ANY combat training or experience. No hero is just acrobatic and that's it, Zuzha isn't either.

    Other Alpha Flight fans want to know that Scott takes AF seriously not like Hamtaro, so I voiced their complaints in my letter post. If Alpha Flight is to survive it needs people like varo, Phil, ladymako, and me. So why not??
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    Steven Seagle did his own thing in volume 2 but kept teasing with the originals. We finally saw the originals. It is unrealistic that the original team could be recaptured in its entirety. But I generally attach to new characters are they develop alongside one I already care about. I'm not a Byrne purist, and I actively liked Kara Killgrave, Feedback and (while maybe not liking his characterization)the real originality of the powers of Manikin. I was never that crazy about characters like Goblyn, Wyre or Talisman, but could abide them in a team book.
    Of the 4 new characters, I like two of them. Two fo them I actively dislike, leaving me with no middle ground of a lukewarm, "maybe I'll like them as they develop.
    The reality is that every new "ongoing series" from Marvel is really a limited series, with green light given for 4 to 6 issues at a time. If the originals are not being used, so there's less of what I loved to be loyal to. I want this book to succeed, but I want to be enjoying every penny of my recreational spending. Like almost everyone else here, I gather, there's other demands for my money. The great thing about collecting comics is that you generally can get deeper enjoyment from your hobby than seeing it in a plastic sleeve or on a shelf.
    As far as the entire team being crazy, that was the charm of the original series, a top seller in its day.
    John Byrne said he never understood the instant popularity of Alpha. When developing the characters consequently, he might of overcompensated. Aurora became an exploration of the inherent personality split of the hero in and out of costume. Northstar became the first gay character of a major publisher. Walt became a bully with control issues over his alter ego. Snowbird became a demigod who actively strove to explore being human. Shaman was the wisom of the team, and Puck was its heart.
    And the Hudsons... I think Mokole is missing too many issues of the original run to know what Byrne, and later Mantlo, were saying with their roles. Both Hudsons were exactly of the same mold as Captain America: the average Joe who became their country's iconic symbol. I personally think that is why--despite the fact that she can be icy, whiny and "w"itchy, Heather was always the more popular Guardian. She wasn't a super-brain who created a technological marvel, she was a SECRETARY who moved up, Common Jane's success story.
    This new Alpha and the old doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. One example is that Scott could bring in Aurora. Don't groan, "she's crazy" because by nature of her craziness, Scott can exhibit character-centric humor (he was very funny with her during his time on v1, and the best laugh in the series rooted from her under Scott's pen.) Aurora only seems crazy when the personalities change. Both Aurora and Jeanne-Marie can make and have made solid contributions in the past. If Scott buds a romance between Puck 2 and Sasquatch, Aurora's return could spell some wonderful character interaction. But more importantly, JEANNE-MARIE never considered Sas her boyfriend, and she would probably be quite attracted to Major Mapleleaf, physically and morally. One original, and she can deeply impact three of Scott's current cast. This would bridge new readers with old and just might be an original enough circumstance in comics to create buzz for the book and generate some sales. Northstar would follow on the team as a matter of course, especially as he's being wasted at the X-Mansion.
    This book is ALPHA FLIGHT. I really want to love it, the way I have loved various Avengers stories despite different writers and teams.
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    Couldn't have said it better myself, Kozzi. I feel pretty much exactly the same way. By chance were you a fan of Furman's run? I kinda liked the idea of Alpha Flight slowly becoming more and more "establishment" without them even realizing it fully until the situation with the Hardliners came to a head. I genuinely miss reading Furman's stories, because he worked well with what had gone before.

    But I digress. I'm rather fond of ALL of the characters in ANADAF, veterans and rookies alike. They've each grown on me BECAUSE of their quirks and their off-beat flavor. Kinda like the original Alpha Flight did. Granted, this arc was much sillier, but honestly, I don't want to read a book that's just straight-up Avengers-style, because if I wanted that, I'd just read the Avengers. Well, not anymore, not with Wolverine, Spider-Man, and Jessica Drew (among a couple of others) comprising the upcoming line-up.

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    I was a HUGE fan of Furman's run. Second only to Byrne, and on point by point probably did better than Byrne in some areas. Post Mantlo, Hundall did OK, I was enthusiastic about Nicienza and found Lobdell funny enough. (The humor came from the characters back then.) Furman made the team and title come alive again for me, for the first time since the exodus in #50.

    My advice: if you like Avengers, NEVER NEVER NEVER get upset about line-up changes. Since #16, that's what the team has been about!
    I would have preferred the Julia Carpenter Spider-Woman, but then again, I would have preferred her on the team with Scott Lang, see a relationship develop and Rachel and Cassie become fast friends and eventually step sisters. Kids in the mansion may be dangerous, but they sure to bring out a very nice aspect of Jarvis. (And you'd be the right person to ask--do you think Jarvis is gay?)

    Wolverine's not appropriate for Avengers and is way too overexposed, but Drew and Cage might make good members. Luke Cage needs a bit of respect and exposure anyway. The story may be a telling of defining what/who does work and does not work as Avengers, so some of the characters might be short lived on the team. It's one of those cases where I don't agree with everything the writer is doing, but the story should be good enough. I rate #500 at a 4 (of 5) and it lost points only because the deaths were gratuitous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kozzi24
    This new Alpha and the old doesn't have to be mutually exclusive.
    Exactly. I think the best approach would be to play it like DC does JSA. The are an even mix of...

    a) Original members.
    b) New versions of older chacters with a direct connection (Hawgirl)
    c) New versions of older characters with little connection (Dr. Midnite, Mr Terrific, Stargirl).

    ...and I think they play it to perfection.

    Too much of Alpha is new and unconnected, at least that we know of. I keep thinking that there's a lot more to be told, but we're heading to issue 7 and this feels less and less likely now.

    I know, I know..."all-new, all-different". I just think they've gone too far away. I think it seems pretty clear that people would rather have a well-done version of the original team.

    Really, wasn't V2 all-new, all-different? It only had two original members when you think about it. Sasquatch and Guardian weren't their "real" selves and Jeffries was gone after one issue.

    All-different's been done already and I don't think it's what people want. Rather than new with a little original, give us the originals with a little new.

    Maybe Earthmover can be turned into a good character with good writing. Maybe Puck's daughter takes her dad's place on the team. Maybe Heather stays behind for the sake of their child and has issues with Mac being on the team, creating a little conflict there. Maybe Talisman is a member instead of Shaman. In fact, Talisman and Puck2 would be very JSA'ish in that so many of the JSA characters are sons and daughters of the originals and it doesn't feel like anything but the JSA anyway.

    Two attempts in a row with a majority of totally new characters seems like squeezing square pegs in round holes. The Teen Titans failed when they tried this, the JLA failed when they tried it in the 80's, the New Warriors failed at it when they were about 50/50 new/old. It just doesn't seem to work.

    Actually, I guess the X-Men have done okay with it... I guess that's why Lobdell was trying to duplicate with this story, since it's nearly identical to the introduction of the new X-Men.

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    I have this weird thing, after a while of not reading a comic I tend to question whether or not I need to still read it. So I didn't buy AF 6 the week it came out, had to trim more than a few titles that week to get the Deadpool action figure. So I got it this past week and was in no rush to read it. I was thinking, maybe the nay-sayers are right. Maybe I'm blinded by my desire for quality Alpha Flight.

    So I guess you could say I went into the 6th issue with a clean and fresh perspective.

    AND I LOVED IT! Best issue yet.

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    This is more an overview of my feelings on the latest series than this issue...

    A lot of people get annoyed at too much angst. That's the usual way to put it, at least. My problem isn't that, not quite. It's not enough joy. I watched a movie the other day, where I don't think one character ever smiled, they were all slow, and looked like the walking dead. (Of course, it was a vampire movie, so a few of them -were- walking dead, but that's beside the point).
    It made the movie slow and painful.

    Alpha Flight, this version has plenty of joy.
    But it has no depth. And I don't feel like it has characters I know.
    It's a bit of light fluff that goes straight to the bottom of my reading pile -
    But don't take that harshly. I put the stuff I most want to read on the bottom of the pile, else it takes forever to get through it.
    I love reading it. Unlike a certain v2 series I could name Weapon X v0, this -is- Alpha Flight. To me, at least.

    It's not a great run - no Byrne or Hudnall here - but it's AF.

    I just miss the depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Messor
    It's not a great run - no Byrne or Hudnall here - but it's AF.

    I just miss the depth.
    There are enough hints of it, I think, to give the impression that there may be a payoff down the road. MML's background with his dad, for instance, and Nemesis and Centennial seemed to be developing something of a connection. Puck looked like she was starting to dig Sasquatch. I could see those things leading to a bit more depth.

    Better get a move on though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottawa Renegade
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Messor
    It's not a great run - no Byrne or Hudnall here - but it's AF.

    I just miss the depth.
    There are enough hints of it, I think, to give the impression that there may be a payoff down the road. MML's background with his dad, for instance, and Nemesis and Centennial seemed to be developing something of a connection. Puck looked like she was starting to dig Sasquatch. I could see those things leading to a bit more depth.

    Better get a move on though.
    I suspect it's there, and I'm just missing it. Whatever it is, it's subliminal, something I can't really name. What the French might call a certain 'I don't know what'. I mean, you can combine humour and depth well - Buffy, Young Justice are great examples.
    But this doesn't have it for me... I feel no real connection to the characters; I like Rutherford, stereotype that he is, but I don't feel for any of them. Okay, Nemesis gets residuals from the original, but that's about it... Hmm... something more to add on her thread...

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