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    They are also icons because of their nature. ...

    They are also icons because of their nature. Exposure does not an icon make. I contend that there are reasons why the PtB at Marvel are conflicted on the public depiction of Alpha.



    Much of...
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    there is a poll on the suit question at...

    there is a poll on the suit question at
    http://forum.alphaflight.net/viewtopic.php?t=741
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    People need to see the character to recognize...

    People need to see the character to recognize him. Take the TV shows of Icon, America Icon and their ilk...they're trying to make someone a superstar, in a recognizable, celebrity way. There is the...
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    I think much of what makes the "iconic" heroes is...

    I think much of what makes the "iconic" heroes is expossure. Batman, Superman, Wonderwoman...they have JLA, their own books, they had Superfriends, TV series. Green Lantern, Flash,...
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    I don't remember the details, but there were...

    I don't remember the details, but there were major differences in the histories of the two Swordsmen. The story was an alternate version of Black Knight going through the multiverse trying to kill...
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    Thunderstrike the Thor knowck off, yes. His solo...

    Thunderstrike the Thor knowck off, yes. His solo series was actually pretty decent storytelling!
    However...the current Swordsman is NOT a resurrected original. That one's still dead. Busiek's...
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    Thunderbird and Ferro Lad were? Marvelwise, the...

    Thunderbird and Ferro Lad were?
    Marvelwise, the only major character that the company tried to kill and keep dead was Tony Stark, and that was retroed out pretty quick, even though while the "Teen...
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    1. When the TV never goes on, free time becomes...

    1. When the TV never goes on, free time becomes much more productive
    2. Shame on those future writers for not reviewing the source material for themselves!
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    I kind of cringe at the thought of someone else...

    I kind of cringe at the thought of someone else in the suit, for clairty's sake.
    Shaman then Talisman then Shaman as Talisman with Elizabeth powerless, then each independent again......
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    Bucky Gwen Stacy Swordsman Thunderstrike...

    Bucky
    Gwen Stacy
    Swordsman
    Thunderstrike
    Uncle Ben

    I also think Mac should be on that list. The basic part of a major character's death is it's impact. When Mac died, his death still...
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    Maybe part of my appeal with Heather was that she...

    Maybe part of my appeal with Heather was that she broke some of the comics conventions. Mac was supposed to be the common man, but there is nothing common about his intelligence. Heather is a very...
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    I've spent too long on aggressive message boards....

    I've spent too long on aggressive message boards. I expect any disagreement, no matter how civil or thoroughly thought-out, to degrade into mud-flinging by now. :)
    I don't claim to be above that, I...
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    I see it as debate rather than argument...we both...

    I see it as debate rather than argument...we both seem to know we're talking about literary characters and conventions.



    In my opinion, Marvel has only three truly "iconic" female heroes: ...
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    While you are right, in Heather's case, the...

    Don't you think it's a stretch of conjecture to spin a character moment from the days of compressed storytelling -- depicting someone who was at the time no more than a "flavour" character -- into a...
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    Differing interpretations of the same things...

    Differing interpretations of the same things here, Ed...I think all this substantiates the argument why Mac should be in the office and the lab, not on the battlelines, so he can employ his strengths...
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    She looked at herself in the mirror while holding...

    She looked at herself in the mirror while holding the suit up in front of her, checking the look out, in Byrne's run. She recognized it as a tool that could better enable her role in the Flight. ...
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    I was aware of potential interpretation of sexism...

    Be careful in accusing others of sexism in the same breath that you attribute specific character attributes to one gender. A man can't be less violent and more nurturing than the stereotype?

    I'm...
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    Very clearly the head of household and the more...

    Very clearly the head of household and the more organized spouse
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    I pick up on some gender bias about who looks...

    I pick up on some gender bias about who looks more iconic too. The US and Canada are similar, but Canada has it over US in many ways...less crime, less violent crime, less aggressive foreign policy,...
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